If the league works with the Pats on this, it sets the precedent that all you need to do is deny everything and obstruct, and the league will back down.
Punishment is in
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If the league works with the Pats on this, it sets the precedent that all you need to do is deny everything and obstruct, and the league will back down.
Not really, sack, that stuff only works if the media is in your corner.
Do not underestimate the effect the media had on the league in this instance, essentially behaving like the PR wing for the NE Patriots. The media would not do this for any other team in the league. Well maybe a few, but the Jets sure as hell ain't one of them. If this was us, the media would be crucifying Woody, Bowles, Mac and even JETS FANS who had the audacity to defend them. This is a unique situation because the media is in the tank for the Patriots, then you add in the 16 million former Patriots who are employed as analysts, and THE FIX has been in for the Patriots from day one.
The media are supposed to be watchdogs who hold liars and cheaters accountable, instead they are the self-appointed GUARD DOGS for Bob Kraft and the Patriots.
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Makes no difference to me anymore.
The penalty should have been a year to Brady and a lifetime ban to Belichick so the wrist slap announces already was the last straw for me
Selling my PSLS at the end of this ft e season, thus not renewing my tickets for 16
Finding other things to do on Autumn Sundays
The penalty should have been a year to Brady and a lifetime ban to Belichick so the wrist slap announces already was the last straw for me
Selling my PSLS at the end of this ft e season, thus not renewing my tickets for 16
Finding other things to do on Autumn Sundays
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i would never tell anyone how to spend his or her hard earned money, but that seems a bit rash to me. i assume you have tickets because you love seeing the jets play and rooting for your team. that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face because the league didn't punish the jets rival as much as you wanted them to.
again, you should spend your money as you see fit. my guess is you will come to regret it when the jets rise to the top of the division under macc-bowles
but out of curiousity, if this has turned you off to the nfl so much, why are you even bothering posting on a nfl-related message board?
I hope you're right. But by my reading of the article at that link, the competence of the Wells team is being called into question, for failing to see the "deflator" comments in the texts before interviewing McNally. This does not look encouraging to me.
I could see the Patriots reducing Brady's suspension on appeal. I think that will happen anyway. I would think it would be cut to two games. But, the Patriots penalties should remain in place. If Kraft gets those reduced through some back-alley deal, that would be ridiculous. This is the second time the Patriots had their hands in the cookie jar and got caught. They got off easy the first time when the tapes were burned and the public never got to see what was really on those tapes. The league covered it up. The only conclusion is that there was more on those tapes than just the Jets, probably a lot more. So this time, the Patriots need to just take their medicine and in the future play the game the way it is supposed to be played, by the rules. And that should be the end of this nonsense. The Patriots denials, the biased media coverage and the Pats PR machine needs to dial it down and put this issue to rest. Right now, it has put a cloud over the entire league and the sport itself.
If the league thought it was going to be cutting the suspension, it should have started at 6 or 8 games to begin with. If Brady gets only two games when all is said and done, that will be too light a punishment.
Four is acceptable. Two seems like a slap on the wrist.
Four is acceptable. Two seems like a slap on the wrist.
i would never tell anyone how to spend his or her hard earned money, but that seems a bit rash to me. i assume you have tickets because you love seeing the jets play and rooting for your team. that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face because the league didn't punish the jets rival as much as you wanted them to.
again, you should spend your money as you see fit. my guess is you will come to regret it when the jets rise to the top of the division under macc-bowles
but out of curiousity, if this has turned you off to the nfl so much, why are you even bothering posting on a nfl-related message board?
I love seeing the Jets play too. But the enjoyment is under the assumption all teams are on a level playing field. If one team can cheat and get away with it, I can certainly understand why sg3 may no longer feel it is possible to love seeing the Jets play.
I gave up my season tickets after Goodell destroyed the SpyGate evidence so no-one could ever see it and thus know the full extent of the Patriots cheating operation. I determined right then and there that there was institutionalized corruption in the NFL, at the highest levels, and that the league swept that scandal under the rug lest the general public should know that SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS (Yes, actual Super Bowl Championships), were at least in part aided by cheating, as had been rumored and suspected for quite some time.i would never tell anyone how to spend his or her hard earned money, but that seems a bit rash to me. i assume you have tickets because you love seeing the jets play and rooting for your team. that seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face because the league didn't punish the jets rival as much as you wanted them to.
again, you should spend your money as you see fit. my guess is you will come to regret it when the jets rise to the top of the division under macc-bowles
but out of curiousity, if this has turned you off to the nfl so much, why are you even bothering posting on a nfl-related message board?
IMO the league had the goods to prove it, but Goodell, along with the other owners, colluded to keep it quiet.
Seeing now how the only lesson the Patriots learned from that experience is that they could essentially get away with large scale cheating with a mere slap on the wrist, and thus the cheating and manipulating injury reports and all the rest of it continues unabated, and now the league is about to cut another deal with the Pats to lessen their punishment to yet another slap on the wrist, I'm 100% satisfied that I made the right decision. I'll watch my team on TV, but I won't put one dime of my money into the hands of this corrupt league.
PS. Doubly appalling is the Patriots incestuous relationship with the media. For example, CBS is an NFL partner, they put billions of dollars into the NFL coffers to carry the AFC package, and the man who runs CBS, Les Moonves, is thick as thieves with Bob Kraft. They even vacation together and Moonves is a huge Patriots fan, and he exerts considerable influence over Goodell and the other owners by sheer virtue of the billions of dollars in TV revenues he puts in their pockets. And then you have the plethora of former Patriots who are situated at ESPN and the NFLN, who use their media platforms to shill for the Patriots and defend their wrongdoing, as does much of the corrupt media partners with the NFL.
Its a slap in the face to the fans of the other 31 teams that at least try to play by the rules.
There are other elements to the Pats' CBS relationship. Inside Patriot Place is CBSScene, the sports-themed CBS version of an ESPN Zone, which is a financial partnership of the Patriots and CBS. So basically, CBS is in a financial partnership with one of the 16 teams in the conference they broadcast. Meanwhile, Bob Kraft is on the board at Viacom, which emerged from CBS and is rumored to be a possible merger target again with them.
Any such CBS connections with other AFC teams?
Essentially, CBS is in bed with one of the teams it broadcasts.
Any such CBS connections with other AFC teams?
Essentially, CBS is in bed with one of the teams it broadcasts.
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Here are the answers you asked for, 54
I have 30K tied up in PSLS and it costs me 1500+ a season, plus time, parking, tolls to attend 8 games while paying for 10.
I no longer am that interested in paying those sums to watch contests that have become WWE like in terms of integrity where 31 teams play by one set of rules but become Washington Generals stooge teams to one team that has cheated with impunity, spat on their sport and has gone unpunished for more than a decade
Look at the crap that continues to occur....rules written and changed to make the mere touching of Brady a foul, rules establish to punish certain coaches like Payton, certain owners like Irsay and the Falcon owner and others while letting the most heinous 15 year cheaters off with wrist slaps or no punishment at all
This latest wrist slap for blatant cheating again is the last straw for me. Hopefully the Jets have a good season by tying Geno Hopeless securely to the bench or cutting him, allowing me to get back a greater portion of my PSL investment back
After that, I might stubhub 2 or 3 games a season but will probably find better ways to spend Sundays in the fall.
All this could change, I guess, but a crash of the Patriots plane on the way to or from a road game is quite unlikely
As for where I post, my friend, that is really none of your business since this is still a free country probably until some Ted Cruz type changes that
Thanks for your concern
I have 30K tied up in PSLS and it costs me 1500+ a season, plus time, parking, tolls to attend 8 games while paying for 10.
I no longer am that interested in paying those sums to watch contests that have become WWE like in terms of integrity where 31 teams play by one set of rules but become Washington Generals stooge teams to one team that has cheated with impunity, spat on their sport and has gone unpunished for more than a decade
Look at the crap that continues to occur....rules written and changed to make the mere touching of Brady a foul, rules establish to punish certain coaches like Payton, certain owners like Irsay and the Falcon owner and others while letting the most heinous 15 year cheaters off with wrist slaps or no punishment at all
This latest wrist slap for blatant cheating again is the last straw for me. Hopefully the Jets have a good season by tying Geno Hopeless securely to the bench or cutting him, allowing me to get back a greater portion of my PSL investment back
After that, I might stubhub 2 or 3 games a season but will probably find better ways to spend Sundays in the fall.
All this could change, I guess, but a crash of the Patriots plane on the way to or from a road game is quite unlikely
As for where I post, my friend, that is really none of your business since this is still a free country probably until some Ted Cruz type changes that
Thanks for your concern
again, you can do as you see fit. i just find it odd that you would spend so much time typing about a sport you clearly think is fixed. but hey, it's a free country (nice political shot there though...), so i look forward to reading more of how miserable the jets and the league make you. it really is quite enthralling... :smiley-sleep027:
Kraft and Goodell hug at party as Deflategate thaw begins
By Jonathan Lehman
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and Robert Kraft are reportedly back on hugging terms, which could affect the Patriots' Deflategate punishment. The air is coming out of the Robert Kraft-Roger Goodell feud.
The would-be icy tension between the Patriots owner and NFL commissioner appears to be under repair already: They had a long face-to-face chat this past weekend, ESPN reported Tuesday, and sealed it with a hug.
ESPN cited an industry source witness who said Kraft and Goodell sat “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time” Saturday at the 60th birthday party for CBS Sports chairman Sean McManus in New York City.
In an interview conducted at some point this weekend with MMQB.com, Kraft had said of the state of his once-friendly relationship with Goodell: “You’ll have to ask him.”
Kraft and Goodell returning to “amicable terms,” as the ESPN report suggested, lends credence to an earlier report of “back-channel conversations” between the Patriots and the NFL meant to circumvent an appeal of the league punishment for using under-inflated footballs during the AFC Championship game.
The Patriots were docked two draft picks and fined $1 million, plus quarterback Tom Brady was suspended for the first four games of the season, last week following a months-long deliberation by Goodell that included the commission and release of the costly Wells Report. A walk-back of that discipline could be seen as an embarrassment for the NFL after its tough initial stance.
By Jonathan Lehman
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and Robert Kraft are reportedly back on hugging terms, which could affect the Patriots' Deflategate punishment. The air is coming out of the Robert Kraft-Roger Goodell feud.
The would-be icy tension between the Patriots owner and NFL commissioner appears to be under repair already: They had a long face-to-face chat this past weekend, ESPN reported Tuesday, and sealed it with a hug.
ESPN cited an industry source witness who said Kraft and Goodell sat “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time” Saturday at the 60th birthday party for CBS Sports chairman Sean McManus in New York City.
In an interview conducted at some point this weekend with MMQB.com, Kraft had said of the state of his once-friendly relationship with Goodell: “You’ll have to ask him.”
Kraft and Goodell returning to “amicable terms,” as the ESPN report suggested, lends credence to an earlier report of “back-channel conversations” between the Patriots and the NFL meant to circumvent an appeal of the league punishment for using under-inflated footballs during the AFC Championship game.
The Patriots were docked two draft picks and fined $1 million, plus quarterback Tom Brady was suspended for the first four games of the season, last week following a months-long deliberation by Goodell that included the commission and release of the costly Wells Report. A walk-back of that discipline could be seen as an embarrassment for the NFL after its tough initial stance.
Let's leave all the politics off this board, please.
I guess Kraft shrunk Goodell down enough to fit him back in his pocket again.
At this point the lessening of punishment for the Patriots is a foregone conclusion, its just a matter of figuring out the best way to spin it. Its clear to me that the honchos at CBS have intervened on Kraft's behalf and that got Roger Goodell's undivided attention. Always follow the money, sack, ultimately thats who and what calls all the shots.
I have no doubt the relationship between the NFL, CBS, and the Patriots will ensure the minimal penalty that could appease the other 31 franchises that are not in the loop (though you could argue 29, as both the Steelers' and Giants' ownerships are a part of the inner circle).
The Giants are part owned by the Tish family, and Tish used to run CBS, before Kraft's right-hand man, Les Moonves.
You're exactly right, there is essentially a small group of owners who have consolidated all of the power and most favored franchise status to themselves. Goodell is essentially their hand-picked puppet, they control all of the most powerful and important committees, and they are most closely aligned with the NFL's partners (CBS, NBC, FOX, ESPN etc.), which is to say they control all of the revenue streams and thats what keeps the other owners in line. Its basically a case of, yes, we get special treatment, but pipe down and accept it because we're making all of you other owners filthy rich.
IMO one of the other owners from outside the clique needs to form an alliance with all of the other "OUTS", all of the owners who are outside the clique and are tired of bowing to a small group of self-appointed royalty, and work together to break their little cabal. The good news for the OUTS is, they are the majority and the rules are written so the majority can crush this small group of self appointed elites (Kraft, Mara, Rooney etc.), they just have band together and DO IT, and if Goodell goes in the tank for the Patriots here as I suspect he's about too, that could be just the impetus one OUT OWNER can use to rally the other OUTS. You know the Saints owner will be furious after the way his franchise was hammered.