Give me Cooper or pass rusher. Neither QB please.
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Jaguars are going for the best pass rusher. ( Fowler)
Oakland - Leonard Williams De/DT
Redskins - Beasley, Ray or Gregory
jets - any Wr they want or one of the pass rushers Redskins don't take.
Interesting take. I think the Raiders want help for Carr. He looks like a good QB to me, as long as they get him a #1 caliber receiver. Your point about the Patriots is true, but we're talking about Brady here. And he also has a dominant TE in Gronk. If I'm Oakland, I'm all over Cooper or White.
Agreed. I also think the Raiders will go WR to give carr some help...but Williams is a stud, man, and so is OLB Mack. You give MacK Williams crushing the pocket inside, and you help Mack as much as a #1 WR helps Carr. if he falls to Oakland, which isnt likely, I wont be "shocked" if they go Williams over WR. I do think his value is greater than Cooper and Whites...
I've made my opinion about Williams well known by now. No doubt he'd have Oakland salivating if he fell to #4 . It'd be a great pick. But when you've got a promising, young QB like Carr, I'm going with a receiver. Williams would definitely make the decision harder, though.
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Jmo I think by upgrading the running game , they feel they are helping Carr.( was a different Qb when they were able to establish the run last year). Did a lot in that area in Fa , to do just that.( Center - Rodney Hudson , Premier blocking Te Lee Smith , RB Roy Helu , Trent Richardson, and when gets healthy possible Te Jermaine Gresham- blocker that also a receiving threat)
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Right now they feel good about # 2 receiver( Streater- missed almost all of last year due to injury) and # 4 Wr James Jones. Very deep Wr draft that you can see them drafting at least two Wr's( second- J Strong/ Nelson Agholor and fourth round if they pass on Wr in the first). Also if they do enventually sign Gresham, they could be playing Two Te's ( Gresham and Smith)and a H- back M Reece/ Te Mychal Rivera.( really like three Te's) , single back Lativius Murray and one Wr- Streater.
The Raiders defense is a pass rusher away( have to give Mack help) from being pretty good . There is going to be a lot of blue chip pass rushers when they are on the clock at four.( a lot harder to find those pass rushers, than a Wr). Forget L Williams dropping for the moment ( don't see them passing on him if he's there). they might take one of the pass rushers regardless(they spent a couple of hours with Gregory at senior Bowl explaining to him how they invision him a part of their defense. JMO I think if they drafted Gregory, Mack would move to De permantly, and Gregory to strong side LB. ( match him up on the Te's with his size).
On the passing downs he would move to De. ( Mack and Gregory rushing the qb at De , on the passing downs)
Me too, Sarge.
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Again with Jack Delrio background being defense, you can't discount Raiders not taken a pass rusher at 4. ( wouldn't surprise if they went that way, and drafted the best Wr left in the second round) like I alluded to, it's much easier to find a Wr , than a pass rusher.
Personally I would draft Amari Cooper and go for the best pass rusher left in second round. Amari Cooper is ready to contribute from Day one . Raiders have Wr similar to Kevin White. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113644&draftyear=2015&genpos=WR Versus http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82134&draftyear=2013&genpos=WR ( talking just size and speed) )
People say the draft is loaded with pass rushers, but truth is, they'll all be gone by the end of rd 1.
I bet you're right. if williams is there, the Raiders take him. Truth be told, I dont expect Cooper to be the best WR in this class, just the first one taken. There will be #1 WRs available with your 2nd rd pick: Beckham may be there, Perriman, Strong, Devin Smith, and Sammy Coates could all be rd 2 targets that may or may not develop into #1 WRs.
if Williams is the #1 rated prospect on the board, if Im oakland, I take Williams #1 to put beside Mack and Perriman rd 2 for Carr. Perriman is going to be very good and having his dad Brent work with him long term to be successful is a huge + for that kid.
I think you can find stud WR rd 2, i dont think you'll find the stud pass rusher in later rounds. Stick to your guns.
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I think you can get a pass rusher in the second . UCLA De Owamagbe Odighizuwa would be my choice in the second, if they took Amari Cooper in first. ( Preston Smith, Eli Harold) Again I don't get to make the pick , and I'm getting the feeling The Raiders are going for the pass rusher with their first pick.( Mckenize with the packers never drafted a Wr in the first)
I think the Raiders want to play a Seattle type of defense , and will draft the pass rusher that best fits what they are looking for.( only Delrio and Ken Norton Jr. know who that guy is). Only one Raiders had a long interview with was Gregory ( don't know if smokescreen or the combine changed their thinking.( like another pass rusher better now)
Btw Jmo if Raiders did go pass rusher in first I could see them going Jaelen Strong or Nelson Agholor- slot receiver in the second. none of them would be number 1 type of Wr, and it would be okay.
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Pass rusher? Okay, but didn't they just use a high 1st on one last year? Or did they amazingly take him off the front four and have him play LB? If so, let's see if Del Rio fixes that. I see you're starting Antonio Smith (33) and Dan Williams in the middle of that DLine. I see them going DT with Williams if available.
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I agree with 55, these pass rushers will go fast. Secret's out on Odiguizuwa as he will be gone in the 1st. Smith and/or Harold might be there. I don't like Harold myself.
And I don't agree with him on the WR's.
Didn't they go pass rusher before? So what? We drafted Wilk, Coples, and Richardson...we're still swinging for a pass rush...bet we go front 7 early again...
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So don't they have other needs?
I'm aware that we need a pass rusher. I wasn't born yesterday. This has never been addressed in the Ryan era.
Oh, if you want an every down pass rusher, you take 1 Rd 1; if you want a situational pass rusher that grows into an every down player, take one later.
We won 4 games last year and Mac took over Raiders East after Idzik sucked the talent out of this team in ways Mike T could only dream of. We have other needs too...bet we still go front 7 early. What we be the problem if we did go front 7 again? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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I recall the last team to select two guys at the same position in the top 5 - Detroit with Suh and Fairley. That didn't turn out well. And I recall the Bucs selecting three straight DLinemen in the 1st and one in the 2nd. They're all gone except one (McCoy). And providing an argument because the Jets did something under Rex sounds a bit sketchy right from the start with me. Just because it's been done doesn't make it desirable. Can you think of a scenario where this succeeded? I'll try to think of some myself as nothing comes to mind at the moment.
And my reasoning which I was saving for that Raider fan was that burning two top 5 picks at one position inflates that position exponentially from a financial standpoint when you have top 5 guys coming off their rookie contract having either met or exceeded expectations. They will cost a ton. This will prevent a team from addressing other needs monetarily and BTW, don't the Raiders have about 15 needs? That was my other point.
And my reasoning which I was saving for that Raider fan was that burning two top 5 picks at one position inflates that position exponentially from a financial standpoint when you have top 5 guys coming off their rookie contract having either met or exceeded expectations. They will cost a ton. This will prevent a team from addressing other needs monetarily and BTW, don't the Raiders have about 15 needs? That was my other point.
Well, I don't consider a pass rushing OLB/DE and a DT in back to back Years a bad thing...and Suh and Fairly are both DTs, that's different then say drafting Raji and then Clay Matthews...it's apples and oranges, IMO
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You seem to have lost my point.